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Would it be possible to hire the original artist or new artist for titles with nothing under mosaics so we can still get a no mosaic version or patch in case some people want mosaics?

I would love to buy all your titles but I strictly do not buy anything with mosaics after being screwed over by helping Sekai start off by buying their titles at first. 

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3 minutes ago, Black Heart said:

That's a good idea. MangaGamer's releases are all mosaic-free and uncensored. To have those here too would be great. :)

Not all their games are uncensored due to the stance of some Japanese companies, but if the companies aren't against it for them to get the art underneath reworked on that would be a first!

If NekoNyan was actually able to redo the artwork under for some titles that don't have any detail underneath I'd be forever faithful to all their titles are long as it isn't yuri or yaoi lol

 

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I'd like to throw in my 2 cents and say that I don't mind mosaics at all and actually prefer them. I've seen this come up quite a few times in conversation on other forums and whatnot, and a lot of confusion seems to come out when the companies say that something is "uncensored." Do they mean that they didn't cut content, or do they mean no mosaics, etc. So full stop clarity for releases would be nice here.

I like @zecknor suggestion on patches that would allow for mosaics/no mosaics and/or the NekoNyan team could even get creative on the programming side of things and add in a toggle for one or the other.

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18+ releases will be "uncensored," which means no cut content.
Whether a game will be mosaic free, however, depends on whether the jp dev is okay with that, and whether something was drawn under the mosaics in the first place.

You can check out the FAQ on each game's subsite to see what is the case for each individual release.

 
I like the idea with the ingame toggle though,  we'll look into it.
 

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My personal opinion about mosaic on top of "nothing" is that I'd rather they redid it with smaller pixels on the censorship. For example if the original is 5x5 pixels of mosaic blocks, lowering it to 3x3 pixels would probably look much better for everyone. I base this mostly on having seen different block sizes on mosaic and noticed how it can look both like there is something behind, and it can look like someone had a life goal of making sure nobody guessed what was behind.

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While I prefer the Mosaic less versions, a toggle option would be  great deal. As zecknor in the first post mentioned, what about hiring someone (preferable the original artists) to draw the never drawn parts? You could even couple this as a stretch goal in a crowdfunding for hardcopys if it would be to expensive. As far as I could see all your titles are either mosaic free or nothing was drawn underneath so no company had anything to complain when you asked for mosaic free releases.

Also on another note, what about honorifics and japanese terms like sempai/sensei? While I prefer them, I think Sakura Sakura's solution with an in-game option to toggle them would be the best.

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26 minutes ago, Onii-chan said:

Also on another note, what about honorifics and japanese terms like sempai/sensei? While I prefer them, I think Sakura Sakura's solution with an in-game option to toggle them would be the best.

Basic honorifics and terms will be left in for everything as far as I know, so there isn't much need for a toggle. 

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Hm... I also love the idea to hire the "cleaner" or "artist" to draw the hentai scenes, ehe-he... I wonder how much it will cost...

Anyway, customers really want uncensored 18+ in any way, and there is no explanations about that. We all want to enjoy, if you understand me :)

Especially, when also release on the West. You should work very hard, guys, to doing something with those titles, where nothing were drawn under mosaics.

To be honest, that's bad for developers? Because... ehm... I don't know... is it okay to make H scenes without drawing... em... those scenes? Incredible, really.

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Most VN developers don't really care about the drawing of genitalia. Because of this most of them aren't well drawn (some exeptions being Clock up and Empress). This is somewhat understandable considering they make VNs for a japanese market where they aren't allowed to show it. It probably would be annoying to put a lot of effort into something that they think is never going to be seen. Taking this into consideration it isn't that odd that there are some companies that doesn't bother to include genitalia at all. Personally I am very much against mosaics and would much rather have something poorly drawn there than nothing. I think Japan should remove their stupid law, though considering how it currently is in Japan I don't really feel like I can fault developers that much for doing things like not having anything underneath at the moment.

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5 hours ago, bakauchuujin said:

Most VN developers don't really care about the drawing of genitalia. Because of this most of them aren't well drawn (some exeptions being Clock up and Empress). This is somewhat understandable considering they make VNs for a japanese market where they aren't allowed to show it. It probably would be annoying to put a lot of effort into something that they think is never going to be seen. Taking this into consideration it isn't that odd that there are some companies that doesn't bother to include genitalia at all. Personally I am very much against mosaics and would much rather have something poorly drawn there than nothing. I think Japan should remove their stupid law, though considering how it currently is in Japan I don't really feel like I can fault developers that much for doing things like not having anything underneath at the moment.

Well, from their point of view and culture, its not a stupid law at all. :)

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5 hours ago, Black Heart said:

Well, from their point of view and culture, its not a stupid law at all. :)

Pretty sure they earlier banned porn in general, basically banning all obscene things. Then they made a loophole by saying it was only obscene if genitalia was shown. Considering how small parts of of the genitalia is censored in many eromanga, as well as there being a black market for uncensored porn in Japan I think that even in Japan many find the law to be stupid. The law also doesn't make logical sence, it is a law against things that are considered obscene, however there are many things in japanese porn that I would argue roughly every human on earth would consider more obscene than showing genitalia. For instance things like eroguro or things with beastiality. Obscenity laws in general don't make sence, they are anti free speech laws that uses the fact that they find something to be disgusting/obscene, without having any actual argument about how the thing would negatively impact society.

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I personally know a few artist on Patreon that could make really good drawings to replace where the vagina is missing under the mosaic. One of them is Aki99 (You can check out his stuff by searching). Maybe even Lasterking if he changes the color tone to make it more in line with the art style.

I'm only showing part of the image I got from Aki99 as an example

 

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Here's an example from Lasterking (probably need to change color tone to fit though)

 

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Hiring the original artist can be difficult depending on the situation. They might not be involved anymore with the dev, or simply busy with a different project etc.

We will, however, certainly look into all the different options available and try our best to deliver mosaic-free versions if at all possible.
The first title that doesn't have anything drawn under the mosaics is Sanoba, and we'll keep you guys posted on this matter.

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15 hours ago, akerou said:

Hiring the original artist can be difficult depending on the situation. They might not be involved anymore with the dev, or simply busy with a different project etc.

We will, however, certainly look into all the different options available and try our best to deliver mosaic-free versions if at all possible.
The first title that doesn't have anything drawn under the mosaics is Sanoba, and we'll keep you guys posted on this matter.

Please do let us know if it is simply not possible. I wouldn't mind supporting a patreon or kickstarter to get all the titles that need it redrawn.

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Yo, what about the stuff mentioned in this thread?:

 

Also zecknor, I don't think you should be posting NSFW stuff here, at least not spoilered. But I like your Idea. Another very qualified decensorer/redrawer is Belldandy100, and he's more reachable.

However, whether we get mosaic-free HCG or not it's 100% the Japanese company's discretion. (barring the case that the localization company doesn't buy them in the first place)

What happens is that the Japanese mod back the mosaic-free CGs to their edition of the game, and apparently some japanese companies don't like this.

ALSO, IIRC Doodler made a patch for ImoPara2 that restores the mosaics to the HCG because some people like them, but he had to make it separate because the size was more than 1gb.

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Not finding the quote machine but...

"Basic honorifics and terms will be left in for everything as far as I know, so there isn't much need for a toggle."

While I don't need it as I want honorifics, I think in that case the toggle would be for people who hate honorifics and thinks the translation becomes trash with it kept.

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On 2/5/2018 at 4:37 PM, Malamasala said:

Not finding the quote machine but...

"Basic honorifics and terms will be left in for everything as far as I know, so there isn't much need for a toggle."

While I don't need it as I want honorifics, I think in that case the toggle would be for people who hate honorifics and thinks the translation becomes trash with it kept.

Translating honorifics requires additional effort in certain instances, and if we're going to include an honorifics script, there's no use in going through that additional effort. As far as I know, there isn't a group of people so adamantly against honorifics that they'd refuse to play a game with them. 

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On 2.02.2018 at 4:06 PM, akerou said:

Hiring the original artist can be difficult depending on the situation. They might not be involved anymore with the dev, or simply busy with a different project etc.

We will, however, certainly look into all the different options available and try our best to deliver mosaic-free versions if at all possible.
The first title that doesn't have anything drawn under the mosaics is Sanoba, and we'll keep you guys posted on this matter.

Well, Hello There!

Sanoba Witch is game that I was hyped almost over a year and I'm really happy that u bring this up for western release (Not SP/Denpa). Sadly as few mentioned above im also strictly against censorship, that includes also mosaic. I can understand that they didn't put anything under those pixels but as others said, lets do some campaign and let YuzuSoft redraw those parts. Another argument that u can use is that, more ppl will buy it so they will earn more money with that. Wanting to start in western market and didn't want to adapt properly is a wrong way of thinking from Japan devs. Simply present to them this matter as a chance to earn more $ and start to gather larger fanbase on the West. Ill probably buy all of 3 out of 5 of ur releases that not have mosaic. I'll wait for some good news about Sabbat of the Witch. Good Luck : )

 

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I think you will find a small group of people that will skip games for the tiniest reasons. Some if there aren't honorifics, some if there are, others if there is porn, others if there are not porn. Usually not worth trying to appeal to them, but as it goes both ways, it is easiest to mostly just keep what is already there.

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I really don't get why people want uncensored genitals... Most of those uncensored... things look more like a certain SMT Demon/Persona than the real deal. I don't wanna be reminded of tentacle-mushroom-thingies every time there is a H-scene. If I want to see freakishly absurd things... well, that's what the fetish stuff is for. (I'm talking about softcore, tentacle rape, NTR, futa-inflation-dustmania stuff, not hardcore like holding hands or cuddling)

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5 minutes ago, Nelico said:

I really don't get why people want uncensored genitals... Most of those uncensored... things look more like a certain SMT Demon/Persona than the real deal. I don't wanna be reminded of tentacle-mushroom-thingies every time there is a H-scene. If I want to see freakishly absurd things... well, that's what the fetish stuff is for. (I'm talking about softcore, tentacle rape, NTR, futa-inflation-dustmania stuff, not hardcore like holding hands or cuddling)

Pretty sure no one wants ugly ones, but mosaics are not pretty either. Rather a ugly drawing than mosaics. OR even better give us the option to toggle mosaics and option to have an artist redraw whats under the mosaics since they are adapting it for the western market yes?

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1 hour ago, Malamasala said:

I think you will find a small group of people that will skip games for the tiniest reasons. Some if there aren't honorifics, some if there are, others if there is porn, others if there are not porn. Usually not worth trying to appeal to them, but as it goes both ways, it is easiest to mostly just keep what is already there.

Mosaics is quite different issue from "Honorifics" or other tiniest reasons you can think of. Since the west do not require mosaics by law yet it is still censored under mosaics when being brought over here. While Mangagamer and Jastusa have been able to push for and release many uncensored or no mosaic works I don't see why we should lower our standard for new entries into the market. That would only allow the new comers and other Japanese publishers to give us half ass ports of their titles and expecting to rake in the money. If a new localizer was serious about bringing the titles in for the fans they would try to get the best thing possible for fans in the west, unless you want another Sekaiproject that half asses everything and kickstarts everything to just make money.

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6 hours ago, zecknor said:

Mosaics is quite different issue from "Honorifics" or other tiniest reasons you can think of. Since the west do not require mosaics by law yet it is still censored under mosaics when being brought over here. While Mangagamer and Jastusa have been able to push for and release many uncensored or no mosaic works I don't see why we should lower our standard for new entries into the market. That would only allow the new comers and other Japanese publishers to give us half ass ports of their titles and expecting to rake in the money. If a new localizer was serious about bringing the titles in for the fans they would try to get the best thing possible for fans in the west, unless you want another Sekaiproject that half asses everything and kickstarts everything to just make money.

This dude get what is this all about :> We need to have standard and 'cuz of ppl like 'be glad we have anything here! otherwise u should learn Japenesse and don't have any VN on West so don't complaing about picture porn!' It's not about porn, its about a message. Because of such attitude hell spawns like Sekai Project was created in the depths of abyss. We are on the West so Japan law don't bide us. If I should spend my money I want to spend it on proper quality product. I don't blame publishers but Japan devs - they want our money coming here, but don't want to change their policy for us.

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